China real estate bubble, still?

[HT]

SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.

China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.

Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!

These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.

The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

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Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

COMMIE CHINA can CONTROL by threat and BLACK AGENTS which the CAPITALISM USA is UNLAWFUL to do US only rely on MONEY SUPPLY N DEMAND LAWS while the GOVERNMENT can NOT use direct tgreat and BLACK AGENT to PULL the ibvestors away to STOP the FLOOD of the MARKET to create BIG CASH WITHDRAW like the 1929 GREAT DEPRSSION.

[CASALAO]

god damn ummm buddha damn. empty city upon empty city. looks like them commie chinese followed the same blue print done by the US gov't during the housing bubble of 2008. at least this housing bubble in china is self contained but still.

during the US housing bubble burst, one could go around cities like PHOENIX, TEMECULA and others and see house upon house with dying front-yard lawn or for sale signs but no empty city though maybe an empty shopping mall here and there.

china being the number 2 economy in the world, any shitty thing happening there will have a very severe economic ripple effect on a worldwide scale.

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Post by CASALAO
god damn ummm buddha damn. empty city upon empty city. looks like them commie chinese followed the same blue print done by the US gov't during the housing bubble of 2008. at least this housing bubble in china is self contained but still.
during the US housing bubble burst, one could go around cities like PHOENIX, TEMECULA and others and see house upon house with dying front-yard lawn or for sale signs but no empty city though maybe an empty shopping mall here and there.
china being the number 2 economy in the world, any shitty thing happening there will have a very severe economic ripple effect on a worldwide scale.

THE POOR CITIZENS STILL WAITING FOR THE RIGHT PRICE. Those empty cities with WESTERNER HIGH VALUE HOUSING mean NOTHING because the POOR can NOT afford just WAIT until the BUILDER get the IDEA of SUPPLY and DEMAND she will DUMP those mansions for CHEAP and the citizen will get CROWD in NOTIME because CHINA already has the POPULATION. SMART BUILDERS will make billion wgile STUPID BUILDERS will GAIN MINUS BILLION$.

[Her Lao]

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-17/asia-needs-to-prepare-better-for-possible-china-slowdown?cmpid=yhoo

[HT]

Post by Her Lao
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-17/asia-needs-to-prepare-better-for-possible-china-slowdown?cmpid=yhoo

SBD
Will China property market crash? the big different between the US crash and potential Chinese crash, the Chinese paid mostly in cash for their investment. In a way it was the government plan to soak up all the cash and savings of some 3-4 generations, and recapitalized it towards towards domestic growth ie.nationalized savings. The risk of bad loans is small, limited to individual exposure. When the boom was on, developers could not keep up with demand, so they borrowed and developed more, again the exposure is the developers commercial decision. Government will continue getting their revenue in charges and tax.

The real danger is people discontent, after investing their life time savings, at some point expectation or the lack of return can trigger a social economic discontent ie. demand and price drop, negative equity, return. This is the danger for China that can trigger the property market crash. The Chinese government can keep it at by tax compensation.

This boom was caused by the Chinese expanding middle class, but it is relatively small to the overall population. Previously China maintained a welfare housing system, now the housing demand and affordability in cities caused by demographic shift (job seekers) had caused a housing shortage down the low end. Unless China urbanization of cities become more equitable, embracing a fair public housing policy, the big highrises and new cities will remain empty thus a glut of supply, causing more price drop. A sudden change in economic wind or hiccup can cause a rush to dump assets for cash, possible crash.

What about Laos, in particular Vientiane; boom or crash? note price already drop some 20-40% in some areas. Properties for sale remain on listings for 2-3years before being sold.

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Post by HT

Post by Her Lao
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-17/asia-needs-to-prepare-better-for-possible-china-slowdown?cmpid=yhoo

SBD
Will China property market crash? the big different between the US crash and potential Chinese crash, the Chinese paid mostly in cash for their investment. In a way it was the government plan to soak up all the cash and savings of some 3-4 generations, and recapitalized it towards towards domestic growth ie.nationalized savings. The risk of bad loans is small, limited to individual exposure. When the boom was on, developers could not keep up with demand, so they borrowed and developed more, again the exposure is the developers commercial decision. Government will continue getting their revenue in charges and tax.
The real danger is people discontent, after investing their life time savings, at some point expectation or the lack of return can trigger a social economic discontent ie. demand and price drop, negative equity, return. This is the danger for China that can trigger the property market crash. The Chinese government can keep it at by tax compensation.
This boom was caused by the Chinese expanding middle class, but it is relatively small to the overall population. Previously China maintained a welfare housing system, now the housing demand and affordability in cities caused by demographic shift (job seekers) had caused a housing shortage down the low end. Unless China urbanization of cities become more equitable, embracing a fair public housing policy, the big highrises and new cities will remain empty thus a glut of supply, causing more price drop. A sudden change in economic wind or hiccup can cause a rush to dump assets for cash, possible crash.
What about Laos, in particular Vientiane; boom or crash? note price already drop some 20-40% in some areas. Properties for sale remain on listings for 2-3years before being sold.

YEP CASH DEALS are limited to small group of individual NOT killing a BANK or the GOVERNMENT. commie do itCOMMIE FORMULAR IS does it' CAPITAL formula. we JOE-NONAME just do our formula NOJ NPSWS FES pw twj ywm 24x7x365. HAHA let SSI pay 4it.

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Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

DON'T WORRY about china ECONOMY with 1.4 billio people if one person BUY a burger BURGERKING will be RICHER than MICROSOFT. FOREIGNERS saw this opportunity and will do WHATEVER to get their BUSINESS inside CHINA no matter HOW MANY HOOF they have to jump through. the COMMIE PARTY SAYS 10 MILLION$ for the PERMIT to establish a corporation IN CHINA. ok not too much the CORP just buy a cashier check. when the get to SHANGHAI the CITY authority demain 5 million$ to build corp within the CITY.. haha another CASHIER CHECK. now the location of the office the LOCAL billioares alread grab all the HOT SPOT the local billionare say 50 millionare$ or GOAWAY. HAHA.. ok the CORP got billion$ in VENTURE BUDGET so another CASHIER CHECK or WIRE TRANSFER. haha/hehehehehe 65 million$ so far and ALL the CORP got is a parcel of land of about an acre. BUILDING need to be built and more PERMITS need to be PKY out from Commie's IRON GRIP HANDS of SEVERAL LAYERS... haha/hehe the COMMIE CHINESE is LAUGHING to the BANK. now that 1.4 billion CHINESES turn into CAPITALISM who else can BEAT THEM. HAHA...

[HT]

Deflation leaves China on the brink of financial crisis

http://www.streetwisejournal.com/deflation-leaves-china-brink-financial-crisis/4245/

Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

[Her Lao]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/may-just-witnessed-first-truly-171855787.html

[HT]

Here we go again, you would think they learn from the US crisis, easy low quality loans to meet speculative investments, heat up market, accumulates into big and unsustainable financial crisis.

Will a potential Chinese housing crash trigger a global financial shock?

http://www.streetwisejournal.com/will-potential-chinese-housing-crash-trigger-global-financial-shock/4252/

Post by Her Lao
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/may-just-witnessed-first-truly-171855787.html

[Her Lao]

http://qz.com/329008/why-chinas-stock-markets-tanked-today/

A few more trading sessions like this and CHINA's markets could really do a nose dive, like America's, in the 2007-09 years, when they knew that Kenyan-born Muslim Obama was gonna win, which spooked the rich job creators like Mitt Romney, et al.

Compared to Europe and the USA, both of which have pretty tamed market activities, with mostly only 1-4% growth, China is still a wild west situation, where growth is mostly between 5-9%, with very minimal control on both individual traders and institutional regulatory agencies.... China could really implode in a serious manner, IN PARTICULAR because it is now affluent enough to BECOME A CONSUMER ORIENTED ECONOMY... and a "consumer economy," as we all know, is MORE about BORROWING AND SPENDING (services) and LESS about producing, which was the case, when China was still supplying 90% of the West cheap consumer goods.

Again, today, more and more China is IMPORTING consumer goods from the West and other places, because hundreds of its citizens have become affluent enough to spend long hours doing nothing but coming up with schemes to borrow and spend, to keep the "economy going".... So a serious "hiccup" that disrupts this vicious "borrowing and spending" on consumer goods CAN DEVASTATE China markets and economy...

[Her Lao]

http://finance.yahoo.com/video/warnings-signs-china-could-near-122242456.html

Private Debts versus Public Debts versus GDP

The USA, private debts hover around 150% GDP, whereas in China, private debts hovers around 211% GDP.

The "exact" percentage break downs of these numbers MAY OR MAY NOT be "100% accurate;" but they do project a certain meta-data truths to them. And so, in very large phenomena, like those involving very large societies, very affluent and large societies, etc., the variables that underpin the various things, INCLUDING CATASTROPHES, take some time to wind and un-wind.

But when they burst, being so large, they burst with exceptional magnitudes and degrees that impacting large spheres and domains and masses of people and markets far and close...

China and the USA are the second and first largest economies in the world, respectively; and that means any thing that happens to one or both of these economies have world wide perturbations.... they are not little pebbles thrown in a calmed pond but giant rocks heaven into it, with big concentric circles of waves going in every directions...

As I noted before, China has been, for some years now --- after having achieved some success in their "reformed communist/market economy" --- shifting away from servicing THE WEST to now becoming more and more a "local consumer based" CONSUMPTION-based ECONOMY. When you have enough people who have stashed enough incomes and wealth away, you see people stop producing and start consuming.

And many industries, from credit cars to appliances and electronics to specialized education and fashion and leisure, etc. popping up to take advantage of the wealth that has been saved (are is being spent), as well as the BORROWED MONEY that people are "qualified to borrow" due to the assets (real and clever constructed through pure numbers and connections) they have and the FUTURE INCOMES everyone says they gonna have coming in!

As we know, IN A CONSUMER OR CONSUMPTION ECONOMY, like it is in the West, borrowing against assets, both real and imaginary, IS AN ESSENTIAL PART of the vicious "economic growth": that is, when you stop spending (both real assets/wealth AND BORROWED sums), your economy shrinks!

But spending means you MUST BORROW and borrow EVER MORE, since the economic activities of the neighborhood, the city, the state, and the country DEPEND on the borrowing and spending activities.

Yes, there's PRODUCTION going on, too. But that's only ONE of many variables, and sometimes it may not be even one of the larger variables in the economy.

In the United States, PRODUCTION --- arguments like "we don't produce any more these days" notwithstanding --- is still a very big part of our economy.

Americans produce and harvest and sell many HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS every year to hundreds of countries around the world... and the things we ACTUALLY PRODUCE or commoditize and ship out range from woods/lumbers, to sea food, to electronics, to sophisticated satellite parts and services, to cars and parts, to air planes, to fighter jets and parts, household appliances and electronics, to chemicals, to hundreds of thousands of tons of FOODS, to education and materials, to THOUSANDS OF OTHER PRODUCTS...

Per capita we are NOT necessarily the biggest (smaller nations like Japan, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, etc.), but IN ABSOLUTE TERMS, we produce and sell more than any other nation, dozens to hundreds to thousands of times more than any other country.

China, not so much. So if they don't keep growing --- and they have starting slowing down, from over 10% growth to now 6-8% growth --- there is a fear they would revert and collapse on themselves, causing world wide catastrophes...

China's public debts are not as large as their private debts, and private debts CAN and WILL cause a society and its people to go bankrupt, if not carefully articulated and taken care of! And private debts are much more difficult to manage and articulate, since they are the debts of private people, NOT the debts of the governments (city, state, federal, etc).

[little FAT BigFOOT,BigHEAD2]

Post by Her Lao
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/warnings-signs-china-could-near-122242456.html
Private Debts versus Public Debts versus GDP
The USA, private debts hover around 150% GDP, whereas in China, private debts hovers around 211% GDP.
The "exact" percentage break downs of these numbers MAY OR MAY NOT be "100% accurate;" but they do project a certain meta-data truths to them. And so, in very large phenomena, like those involving very large societies, very affluent and large societies, etc., the variables that underpin the various things, INCLUDING CATASTROPHES, take some time to wind and un-wind.
But when they burst, being so large, they burst with exceptional magnitudes and degrees that impacting large spheres and domains and masses of people and markets far and close...
China and the USA are the second and first largest economies in the world, respectively; and that means any thing that happens to one or both of these economies have world wide perturbations.... they are not little pebbles thrown in a calmed pond but giant rocks heaven into it, with big concentric circles of waves going in every directions...
As I noted before, China has been, for some years now --- after having achieved some success in their "reformed communist/market economy" --- shifting away from servicing THE WEST to now becoming more and more a "local consumer based" CONSUMPTION-based ECONOMY. When you have enough people who have stashed enough incomes and wealth away, you see people stop producing and start consuming.
And many industries, from credit cars to appliances and electronics to specialized education and fashion and leisure, etc. popping up to take advantage of the wealth that has been saved (are is being spent), as well as the BORROWED MONEY that people are "qualified to borrow" due to the assets (real and clever constructed through pure numbers and connections) they have and the FUTURE INCOMES everyone says they gonna have coming in!
As we know, IN A CONSUMER OR CONSUMPTION ECONOMY, like it is in the West, borrowing against assets, both real and imaginary, IS AN ESSENTIAL PART of the vicious "economic growth": that is, when you stop spending (both real assets/wealth AND BORROWED sums), your economy shrinks!
But spending means you MUST BORROW and borrow EVER MORE, since the economic activities of the neighborhood, the city, the state, and the country DEPEND on the borrowing and spending activities.
Yes, there's PRODUCTION going on, too. But that's only ONE of many variables, and sometimes it may not be even one of the larger variables in the economy.
In the United States, PRODUCTION --- arguments like "we don't produce any more these days" notwithstanding --- is still a very big part of our economy.
Americans produce and harvest and sell many HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS every year to hundreds of countries around the world... and the things we ACTUALLY PRODUCE or commoditize and ship out range from woods/lumbers, to sea food, to electronics, to sophisticated satellite parts and services, to cars and parts, to air planes, to fighter jets and parts, household appliances and electronics, to chemicals, to hundreds of thousands of tons of FOODS, to education and materials, to THOUSANDS OF OTHER PRODUCTS...
Per capita we are NOT necessarily the biggest (smaller nations like Japan, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, etc.), but IN ABSOLUTE TERMS, we produce and sell more than any other nation, dozens to hundreds to thousands of times more than any other country.
China, not so much. So if they don't keep growing --- and they have starting slowing down, from over 10% growth to now 6-8% growth --- there is a fear they would revert and collapse on themselves, causing world wide catastrophes...
China's public debts are not as large as their private debts, and private debts CAN and WILL cause a society and its people to go bankrupt, if not carefully articulated and taken care of! And private debts are much more difficult to manage and articulate, since they are the debts of private people, NOT the debts of the governments (city, state, federal, etc).

that's one of the elements that LEAVE BRAND CITY EMPTY. The people can NOT BUY ANY MORE.

[little FAT BigFOOT,BigHEAD2]

Post by Her Lao
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/warnings-signs-china-could-near-122242456.html
Private Debts versus Public Debts versus GDP
The USA, private debts hover around 150% GDP, whereas in China, private debts hovers around 211% GDP.
The "exact" percentage break downs of these numbers MAY OR MAY NOT be "100% accurate;" but they do project a certain meta-data truths to them. And so, in very large phenomena, like those involving very large societies, very affluent and large societies, etc., the variables that underpin the various things, INCLUDING CATASTROPHES, take some time to wind and un-wind.
But when they burst, being so large, they burst with exceptional magnitudes and degrees that impacting large spheres and domains and masses of people and markets far and close...
China and the USA are the second and first largest economies in the world, respectively; and that means any thing that happens to one or both of these economies have world wide perturbations.... they are not little pebbles thrown in a calmed pond but giant rocks heaven into it, with big concentric circles of waves going in every directions...
As I noted before, China has been, for some years now --- after having achieved some success in their "reformed communist/market economy" --- shifting away from servicing THE WEST to now becoming more and more a "local consumer based" CONSUMPTION-based ECONOMY. When you have enough people who have stashed enough incomes and wealth away, you see people stop producing and start consuming.
And many industries, from credit cars to appliances and electronics to specialized education and fashion and leisure, etc. popping up to take advantage of the wealth that has been saved (are is being spent), as well as the BORROWED MONEY that people are "qualified to borrow" due to the assets (real and clever constructed through pure numbers and connections) they have and the FUTURE INCOMES everyone says they gonna have coming in!
As we know, IN A CONSUMER OR CONSUMPTION ECONOMY, like it is in the West, borrowing against assets, both real and imaginary, IS AN ESSENTIAL PART of the vicious "economic growth": that is, when you stop spending (both real assets/wealth AND BORROWED sums), your economy shrinks!
But spending means you MUST BORROW and borrow EVER MORE, since the economic activities of the neighborhood, the city, the state, and the country DEPEND on the borrowing and spending activities.
Yes, there's PRODUCTION going on, too. But that's only ONE of many variables, and sometimes it may not be even one of the larger variables in the economy.
In the United States, PRODUCTION --- arguments like "we don't produce any more these days" notwithstanding --- is still a very big part of our economy.
Americans produce and harvest and sell many HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS every year to hundreds of countries around the world... and the things we ACTUALLY PRODUCE or commoditize and ship out range from woods/lumbers, to sea food, to electronics, to sophisticated satellite parts and services, to cars and parts, to air planes, to fighter jets and parts, household appliances and electronics, to chemicals, to hundreds of thousands of tons of FOODS, to education and materials, to THOUSANDS OF OTHER PRODUCTS...
Per capita we are NOT necessarily the biggest (smaller nations like Japan, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, etc.), but IN ABSOLUTE TERMS, we produce and sell more than any other nation, dozens to hundreds to thousands of times more than any other country.
China, not so much. So if they don't keep growing --- and they have starting slowing down, from over 10% growth to now 6-8% growth --- there is a fear they would revert and collapse on themselves, causing world wide catastrophes...
China's public debts are not as large as their private debts, and private debts CAN and WILL cause a society and its people to go bankrupt, if not carefully articulated and taken care of! And private debts are much more difficult to manage and articulate, since they are the debts of private people, NOT the debts of the governments (city, state, federal, etc).

ANOTHER PROBLEM that PREVENT BUYERS to buy these empty city is the LOAN SYSTEM OF 50& DOWN and the rest had to be pay in ONLY 3 YEARS. WHATEVER that cause the LOAN SYSTEM to make the condition UN ACEPTABLE for the buyer is the BIGGEST PROBLEM. looking at the USA I only need 2-20 percenr down and the rest will be paid in 30 YEARS. that allow poor people to buy home.

[Her Lao]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/first-time-chinese-government-admitted-163700854.html

China's top banker, Zhou Xiaochuan, told a meeting of regional leaders that his country's growth rate had tumbled "a bit too much."

[Her Lao]

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33456768

Yet more signs of the "over-heated" Chinese stock markets bursting?

[MadMostOfTheTime]

Post by Her Lao
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33456768
Yet more signs of the "over-heated" Chinese stock markets bursting?

WITH CONFLICTS IN SOUTH CHINA SEA DISPUTES CHINA'S ECONOMIC, MARKETING, AND INVESTMENT WILL NOT GROW. IT CAN ONLY BE STABILIZE AT BEST OR ELSE JUST KEEP SINKING. CHINA WILL BE HURT INSTOCKS AND MARKET GROWTH WITH CONDITIONS TO PREVENT LARGE OWNER OF COMPANY TO SELL THEIR SHARES. THESE CONDITIONS CAN ONLY BE ENFORCE IN A COMMUNIST NATION WHICH ALL INVESTORS HATE. AT MOST THE STOCK AND MARKET CAN BE BE FLAT OUT HANGING IN THE SAME NUMBER BUT NO GROWTH IS POSSIBLE. TO ALLOW GROWTH CHINA NEEDS TO ELIMINATE THOSE CONDITIONS BUT ELIMINATING THOSE CONDITIONS CAN LEAD TO A DROP TO ZERO OR LOWER WHICH CHINA CAN NOT ALLOW.

ON THE OTHER HAND CHINA WILL NOT ALLOW TO GIVE UP THE RICHNESS OF SOTH CHINA SEA so CHINA is in a HOT SEAT with high PRESSURE IN A SENSE INSIDE A high pressure cooker. CHINA HAD INVEST A LONG TIME into expanding into that REGION. and now facing conflicts with small nations along the way CHINA simply use THREATS and FORCES to settle those cases, BUT CHINA can NOT do it under UN and at the NOSE of USA. it will BLOW UP. THIS IS ONE OF THE MAJOR REASON INVESTORS ARE DUMPING CHINESE MARKET BY CASHING THEIR SHARES AND RUN AWAY TO A COOL & STABLE ZONE. INVESTORS ARE RICH WHILE RICH PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE CONFLICTING ZONE. IT NATURAL TO GO AWAY WHICH CHINA CAN NOT STOP THIS NATURAL FLOW/LAW. IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE FROM NOW ON. RUN AWAY WHILE ZERO SHOT HAD BEEN MADE IS A SMART INVESTOR. ONCE A SHOT HAD BEEN MADE EVERYONE FLEE. "THE HELL WITH $ LIFE IS BETTER" THEY SHOUT AND A HIGH SPEED TRAIN IS STILL TOO SLOW FOR INVESTORS. IN ONLY A FEW HOURS/MINUTES THE TRADING FLOOR WILL BE EMPTY. CHINA HAS HAD 4,000++YEARS OF LESSONS IN WAR BUT NOTHING LIKE THIS NEW AGE OF MARKETS AND STOCK TRADINGS. CHINA do NOT KNOW THAT IT can NOT USE communist rules inside the MARKET and STOCK TRADINGS SYSTEM BECAUSE THAT SYSTEM IS IN THE OTHER SIDE OF COMMUNIST government. tough it and it will be MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR FASTER THAN CHINA CAN CATCH & HOLD IT. the MARKET and STOCK TRADINGS will NOT SIT AROUND WAITING FOR THE government TO rape their HOLES & NEST EGGS. SOME INVESTORS HAD ALREADY CASH OUT AND LEFT AT A LOSE BUT GO NOW while still alive and more INVESTMENT LATER WHEN THE THREATS ARE GONE. THE ONE WHO KEEP STAYING WILL FACE THE GOVERNMENT TO RAPE THEIR HOLES AND CLEAN UP THEIR NEST EGGS. EVERY THINGS BELONG TO THE GOVERNMENT COMMUNIST SAID. EVERYTHING MEANS EVERYTHING INCLUDING LIVES,MONEYS,GOLD,SILVERS,HOUSES,KIDS,WIVES,HUSBANDS,EDUCATIONS, AND ALL BODY PARTS. AND YEP MARKET AND STOCK TRADINGS ARE NO EXCEPTION. THE GOVERNMENT OWN ALL. SMART TRADERS RUN.

[little FAT BigFOOT,BigHEAD2]

Post by HT
Deflation leaves China on the brink of financial crisis
http://www.streetwisejournal.com/deflation-leaves-china-brink-financial-crisis/4245/

Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

Deflation! is so RARE in this AGE of TECHNOLOGY JUNKIES. normally people will borrow NEXT YEAR TAX RETURN just to EAT DINNNER TODAY making the INFLATION. THE PEOPLE IS SCARED into CHICKEN to get a little balance. the CHINESE MUST KNOW something in the WAR DEPARTMENT that SCARE THE SH*T out of THEM CHINESE to STOP SPENDING and BORROWING. MAYBE I SHOULD FREEZE IN LOOKING for new house and that DUMB CAR. just HOLD OUT take DA IDIOT BUSto work with a CAMPING TENT and just CAMP OUT in that parking lot from SUNDAY to FRIDAY BUS HOME FRIDAY NIGHT and BUS OUT SUNDAY EVE make that parking a WORKING DAYS HOME.and my house is just a CHURCH ON SUNDAY. that should KICK the CAR/OIL/GAS and housing into DEFLATION. 99 see ya at 6AM tomorrow BOSS sleep in DA PARKING LOT from 6 PM to 6AM get to the office 1st every day. WINTER BUS HOME and BUS OUT. NO MORE CAMPOUT at DA DUMB PARKING.

[MadMostOfTheTime]

Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

still RUNNING AND MORE RUNNING:

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2015/07/09/chinese-stock-volatility-continues-but-investors-expect-us-impact-to-be-limited/

EW!... THE COMMIE GOVERNMENT RAPE HER HOLES SO DO NOT CALL ON ME TO MARRY HER AS MY SOUL MATE. TELL CHINESE MARKET & STOCKS TO GO TO HELL. COMMIE GOD CAN NOT HELP MARKET & STOCKS. THOSE THINGS ARE NOT IN COMMIE GOD'S DICTIONARY. COMMIE LORD ONLY KNOW HOW TO RAPE N KILL.

[MadMostOfTheTime]

Post by MadMostOfTheTime

Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2015/07/09/chinese-stock-volatility-continues-but-investors-expect-us-impact-to-be-limited/
EW!... THE COMMIE GOVERNMENT RAPE HER HOLES SO DO NOT CALL ON ME TO MARRY HER AS MY SOUL MATE. TELL CHINESE MARKET & STOCKS TO GO TO HELL. COMMIE GOD CAN NOT HELP MARKET & STOCKS. THOSE THINGS ARE NOT IN COMMIE GOD'S DICTIONARY. COMMIE LORD ONLY KNOW HOW TO RAPE N KILL.

YEP COMMIE LORD KNOW HOW TO DO ALL TYHAT RAPE N KILL LEGALLY UNDER COMMIE LAW.

[MadMostOfTheTime]

Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

commie traders know when to CASH OUT N RUN AWAY. IT'S ALL BUILT INTO A COMMIE MIND. I WAS A COMMIE BRIEFLY FOR A YEAR OR 2 WHEN I WAS AROUND 7-8. COMMIE ONLY SAY NICE WHEN COMMIE SEE THAT I GOT A FEW FAT DOGS LAYING AROUND MY HOUSE. MY DOGS HATE COMMIES. WHEN COMMIE ARRIVED AT 500 METERS TO THE EDGE OF OUR VILLAGE OUR DOG WILL CALL WITH THE STRANGEST OF A SOUND EVERY TIME. SO AS TIME GOES ON SEVERAL TIME WE LEARN TO KNOW WHO IS COMING TO OUR VILLAGE AND IS ABOUT 5WITHIN 1KM AT THAT TIME. COMMIE EATS DOGS AND OUR DOGS HAT DOG EATER. COMMIE KNOWS WHEN TO RUN AWAY AND FORGET ABOUT THE PROPERTIES,MARKET, AND STOCKS. IN DEC/1979 WE DID JUST THAT. RAN AWAY AND FORGET ABOUT TONS OF SILVERS,CROPS, AND DOMESTIC ANIMALS. WE LEFT OUR DOGS TOO. IT'S NOW NEARLY 40 YEARS I THINK OUR DOGS HAD GONE WILD AS WOLVES. IF THOSE OLD GENERATION IS STILL ALIVE I THINK WE CAN GET THEM BACK BECAUSE OUR DOGS ARE MENTALLY BOUND TO US. IT KNOWS US JUST LIKE A FAMILY MEMBER. UNBOUNDED DOG WILL BITE UNTIL DEAD. COMMIE IS OUR DOGS FIRST TARGET TO BITE OR CHASE AWAY. DON'T GO NEAR OUR VILLAGE OR WOLVES WILL SHOW UP IN PACKS.

[MadMostOfTheTime]

Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

SOMETHING IN THIS LINE
"Chinese securities regulator ordered shareholders with stakes of more than 5 percent not to sell for the next six months."
IS ALL COMMIE WAY OF MARKETING & STOCK TRADINGS. THIS KIND OF REGULATION WILL KEEP THOSE INDEX FLAT FOR 6 MONTHS BUT AFTER THAT IT WILL ALL BE ZEROS. PLENTY OF ZEROS WE WILL SEE. STAYERS WILL BE SORRY/REGRET AT THE END WHEN THERE IS NO CHINA TO GET THEIR SHARES BACK. CHINA IS UNLIKELY TO GIVE THAT SOUTH CHINA SEA AWAY SO IT ONLY MEANS WAR AND WAR WILL ONLY DESTROY MORE OF CHINA MARKET AND INFRASTRUCTURES & PEOPLE. BY THE TIME THE WAR IS OVER TRADERS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FIND THE SHARES THEY OWN BEFORE THE WAR. MR. MA IS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND MR. CHAN IS ALSO GONE. MR. LEE SAYS IF YOU GIVE HIM 200 HE WILL TAKE YOU TO SEE THE BOSS WHO HOLD ALL THE SHARES. YOU PAID THE 200 AND HE TOOK YOU TO SEE GENERAL LO AND THE GENERAL ORDER HIS GANG TO KICK YOU AROUND SHANGHAI. GOOD LUCK TRYING TO FIND YOU LOVER SHARES WHO THE COMMIE HAS LEGALLY RAPED. THE TRADING FLOORS AND OFFICES ARE EMPTY WHERE IN THE WORLD WILL TRADERS GO TO GET THEIR SHARES. I'M GLAD I SOLD ALL OF MY SHARES AT AN ONLY -500 PRICE WEEKS AGO. IN SIX MONTHS OR WHEN THE WAR IS OVER I DO NOT HAVE TO DIG AROUND SHANGHAI RUBBLE FOR MY SHARES. IF YOU ARE SERIOUS TO FIND YOUR SHARES JUMP INTO THE YELLOW RIVER. MR LEE SAYS AFTER THE RAPES SOME FELT SO BAD AND JUST JUMP INTO THE YELLOW RIVER. YOU MIGHT FIND SOME BONES DOWN THERE FROM YOUR LOVER CHINESE SHARES. IF YOU FIND THE BONE DON'T FORGET TO PAY MR. LEE 1500 TO MAKE A PROPER RE-BURY WITH A 5X5X3 INCHES WOODEN COFFIN.

[CASALAO]

At the same time, state-owned media has encouraged ordinary Chinese for months to load up on shares. Many borrowed heavily to buy stocks, taking out so-called margin loans.<<<

the chines bubble burst is bound to happen when margin loans and derivative trading are allowed.

at the start of this year, the year of the lord 2015, the chinese stock was at 2000 and it rose up to 5000 before the crash a few days ago. the 3000 point difference was due to people speculating on any company with public offering with borrowed money. the lost is more than 3 trillion dollars.

now the chinese gov't is trying madly to correct the market with different mechanisms but the end is not in sight any time soon.

and of course dark jokes are the fare of the day. here's one: "in May, dog ate what I ate. In June I ate what dog ate. In July I ate the dog"

[Her Lao]

Post by CASALAO
the chines bubble burst is bound to happen when margin loans and derivative trading are allowed.
at the start of this year, the year of the lord 2015, the chinese stock was at 2000 and it rose up to 5000 before the crash a few days ago. the 3000 point difference was due to people speculating on any company with public offering with borrowed money. the lost is more than 3 trillion dollars.
now the chinese gov't is trying madly to correct the market with different mechanisms but the end is not in sight any time soon.
and of course dark jokes are the fare of the day. here's one: "in May, dog ate what I ate. In June I ate what dog ate. In July I ate the dog"

++++++++++++++++

This is PART of China's "learning curve"... part of the trial and error period of learning to do wheeling and dealing capitalism.

The West has been doing it since the year of the Lord Jesus and his Dad, God, 1500s, so the West has gone through many of these pyramid scheming activities ---- activities where those with access, with luck, and with skills who get in first and get in at the lowest rungs get to get out first with tons of "profits" while those who jump in later are left holding empty bags --- so the government doesn't need to make arbitrary "corrective measures" like this.

But this is also PART of a totalitarian government's way of operation: whenever and wherever the TOP MOST ruling guys don't like, they can just bring the hammer down and everyone just watches!

I believe in communist China, while borrowing is allowed, SHORT SELL is not allowed, so the Communist Correct Leadership thought that's enough. But clever traders, even in China, WILL FIND A WAY to compensate for not allowing short selling....

They would, for example, do heavy DERIVATIVES, futures, and OPTIONS tradings, with questionable balance and account liquidity and "real money" in the bank, in terms of leverage and other securities requirements, for such derivative and options tradings....

[Her Lao]

Forgot to post this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/09/us-markets-stocks-idUSKCN0PJ1AZ20150709


China's securities regulator, in its most drastic step yet to arrest a selloff on Chinese stock markets, banned shareholders with large stakes in listed firms from selling for the next six months.

REMEMBER THIS, China's FORMERLY "RICHEST MAN," JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO?

http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-former-richest-man-li-hejun-lost-15-billion-when-hanergy-shares-collapsed-47-2015-5

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-22/glimpse-endgame-how-chinas-formerly-richest-man-crashed-his-own-stock-when-he-tried-


This guy probably lived in HONGKONG; for, if he lived in mainland China, the probability of him being shot through the head after a one-week kangarro trial is probably very high...

[Her Lao]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/27/us-markets-china-stocks-idUSKCN0Q10KE20150727

An 8% drop in a major stock index ---- like the DOW, NASDAQ, or any other similar one like those major indexes in Hongkong, Shainghai, etc. --- is comparable to us losing 20-30% of our portfolios in one session... and that is pretty big.

Because the indexes are usually comprised of waht's called "blue chips" in America (I'm sure similar in other countries, too)... major indexes are mostly only very well established companies with good track records of performance over many years... so losing 8 or more percent from such a major index, again, is or should be very disturbing....

[CASALAO]

Post by Her Lao
An 8% drop in a major stock index ---- like the DOW, NASDAQ, or any other similar one like those major indexes in Hongkong, Shainghai, etc. --- is comparable to us losing 20-30% of our portfolios in one session... and that is pretty big.

don't know which is worse. this https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=24&v=edpLDseQWcE or the chinese stock crash. both are terrible.

but fuck it, china... you cannot be communist forever.

[MadMostOfTheTime]

Post by CASALAO

Post by Her Lao
An 8% drop in a major stock index ---- like the DOW, NASDAQ, or any other similar one like those major indexes in Hongkong, Shainghai, etc. --- is comparable to us losing 20-30% of our portfolios in one session... and that is pretty big.

don't know which is worse. this https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=24&v=edpLDseQWcE or the chinese stock crash. both are terrible.
but fuck it, china... you cannot be communist forever.L

China Tried To Force Things down People's Throats It Can Not last long

[MadMostOfTheTime]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/30/investing/china-stock-market-crash/
CHINA KEPT FORCING SH?T DOWN TRADER'S THROATS BUT THEY STOPPED SWALLOWING HAHAHA.

[MadMostOfTheTime]

any trader who is serious enough know that in this type of condition short sell is WORTH WHILE. JUST SELL CHINA SHORT ALL DAY WILL MAKE BILLION. SHORT EVERYTHING INCLUDING MICROSOFT AND APPLE ESPECIALLY LENOVO SHORT MELLISA THE BUG TOO. OOPS SHORT GM & FORD TOO. THERE IS ONLY TWO COMPANIES TO AVOID SHORTING IS PENTAGON AND BOEING. SHORT NORTH WEST AND BUY DELTA.

Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

[MadMostOfTheTime]

Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

SEE HERE:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/11/typhoon-chan-hom-china-evacuates-865000-peope-and-cancels-flights

CHINA HAS NOT triggered a shot but the NATURE HAD ALREADY ATTEMPTED TO BLOW RED GIANT COMMIE CHINA INTO SMALL PIECES. THE SUPER TYPHOON IS RARE AND JUST ARRIVED IN CHINA COAST ON TIME TO SHRED CHINA INTO PIECES. OVER 865,000 PEOPLE ARE EVACUATED. THIS ONE WILL BE IN HISTORY RECORD THAT SOUTH CHINA CAN GIVE CHINA A GOOD LESSON. BOTH HUMAN WAR AND NATURAL WAR WILL HIT CHINA IN FULL FORCES. IT'S TIME FOR COMMIES NATIONS TO FOLLOW THE BERLIN WALL. I SAID TRADERS NEEDS TO DUMP AND RUN. DON'T TRUST ME JUST GO OUT AFTER SUPER TYPHOON HAS PAST AND PICKUP PIECES TO REBUILD YOUR TRADING PORTFOLIO. SHRED YOUR TEAR TO BLOOD BECAUSE CHINA HAD LOCKED THE DOOR YOU CAN'T SELL THOSE SHARES ANYMORE. IF YOU FEEL SO BAD JUST GO EAST A LITTLE AND JUMP INTO THE YELLOW RIVER THERE. BETTER YET JUMP IN MEKONG BECAUSE THOSE GIANT CATFISHES ARE EXTREMELY HUNGRY. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH RIVER YOU TRY TO JUMP YOUR BONE WILL ARRIVE IN SOUTH CHINA SEA EVENTUALLY.

[MadMostOfTheTime]

Post by MadMostOfTheTime

Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/11/typhoon-chan-hom-china-evacuates-865000-peope-and-cancels-flights
CHINA HAS NOT triggered a shot but the NATURE HAD ALREADY ATTEMPTED TO BLOW RED GIANT COMMIE CHINA INTO SMALL PIECES. THE SUPER TYPHOON IS RARE AND JUST ARRIVED IN CHINA COAST ON TIME TO SHRED CHINA INTO PIECES. OVER 865,000 PEOPLE ARE EVACUATED. THIS ONE WILL BE IN HISTORY RECORD THAT SOUTH CHINA CAN GIVE CHINA A GOOD LESSON. BOTH HUMAN WAR AND NATURAL WAR WILL HIT CHINA IN FULL FORCES. IT'S TIME FOR COMMIES NATIONS TO FOLLOW THE BERLIN WALL. I SAID TRADERS NEEDS TO DUMP AND RUN. DON'T TRUST ME JUST GO OUT AFTER SUPER TYPHOON HAS PAST AND PICKUP PIECES TO REBUILD YOUR TRADING PORTFOLIO. SHRED YOUR TEAR TO BLOOD BECAUSE CHINA HAD LOCKED THE DOOR YOU CAN'T SELL THOSE SHARES ANYMORE. IF YOU FEEL SO BAD JUST GO EAST A LITTLE AND JUMP INTO THE YELLOW RIVER THERE. BETTER YET JUMP IN MEKONG BECAUSE THOSE GIANT CATFISHES ARE EXTREMELY HUNGRY. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH RIVER YOU TRY TO JUMP YOUR BONE WILL ARRIVE IN SOUTH CHINA SEA EVENTUALLY.

MORE HERE"

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/11/8933341/china-is-destroying-its-stock-market-in-order-to-save-it

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/countingthecost/2015/07/china-stock-market-bubble-burst-150711113737001.html

[MadMostOfTheTime]

Post by MadMostOfTheTime

Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/11/typhoon-chan-hom-china-evacuates-865000-peope-and-cancels-flights
CHINA HAS NOT triggered a shot but the NATURE HAD ALREADY ATTEMPTED TO BLOW RED GIANT COMMIE CHINA INTO SMALL PIECES. THE SUPER TYPHOON IS RARE AND JUST ARRIVED IN CHINA COAST ON TIME TO SHRED CHINA INTO PIECES. OVER 865,000 PEOPLE ARE EVACUATED. THIS ONE WILL BE IN HISTORY RECORD THAT SOUTH CHINA CAN GIVE CHINA A GOOD LESSON. BOTH HUMAN WAR AND NATURAL WAR WILL HIT CHINA IN FULL FORCES. IT'S TIME FOR COMMIES NATIONS TO FOLLOW THE BERLIN WALL. I SAID TRADERS NEEDS TO DUMP AND RUN. DON'T TRUST ME JUST GO OUT AFTER SUPER TYPHOON HAS PAST AND PICKUP PIECES TO REBUILD YOUR TRADING PORTFOLIO. SHRED YOUR TEAR TO BLOOD BECAUSE CHINA HAD LOCKED THE DOOR YOU CAN'T SELL THOSE SHARES ANYMORE. IF YOU FEEL SO BAD JUST GO EAST A LITTLE AND JUMP INTO THE YELLOW RIVER THERE. BETTER YET JUMP IN MEKONG BECAUSE THOSE GIANT CATFISHES ARE EXTREMELY HUNGRY. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH RIVER YOU TRY TO JUMP YOUR BONE WILL ARRIVE IN SOUTH CHINA SEA EVENTUALLY.

YOU MIGHT SEE A REBOUND HERE AND THERE BUT THAT IS HOW SDTOCK MARKET CRASH DOES ALL THE TIME IT WILL DIE IN STEPS ALONG THE WAY FROM TOP TO ZERO. STOCK MARKET CRASH IN 1929 USA DID TOO. AS A RESCUE MISSION IS ANNOUNCED THE STOCK HOLD OR REBOUND BACK A LITTLE AND THAT NUMBER WILL BE WIPE OUT IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. BAMP! TRILLION GONE AGAIN. A FEW BIG BLOWS AND WE SEE BIG ZERO. THAT'S NATURAL STOCK CRASHES AND HUMAN DIE. DEPRESSION WILL FOLLOW QUICKLY. GO TO THE FARM AND GROW 12 ROWS OF YAM/TUBER OR HIDE UNDER A CAVE TO SURVIVE MORE SUPER TYPHOON. SUPER TYPHOON CAN UP ROOT TREES AND HOUSE AND SET THEM DOWN 100-500 METERS AWAY. I SAW IT ONCE IN THAILAND. THE BIG APARTMENT JUST MOVED TO A NEW LOCATION HUNDRED OF METERS AWAY. DON'T ASK ME HOW IT'S DONE BUT IT DID I SAW IT.

[MadMostOfTheTime]

Post by MadMostOfTheTime

Post by MadMostOfTheTime

Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/11/typhoon-chan-hom-china-evacuates-865000-peope-and-cancels-flights
CHINA HAS NOT triggered a shot but the NATURE HAD ALREADY ATTEMPTED TO BLOW RED GIANT COMMIE CHINA INTO SMALL PIECES. THE SUPER TYPHOON IS RARE AND JUST ARRIVED IN CHINA COAST ON TIME TO SHRED CHINA INTO PIECES. OVER 865,000 PEOPLE ARE EVACUATED. THIS ONE WILL BE IN HISTORY RECORD THAT SOUTH CHINA CAN GIVE CHINA A GOOD LESSON. BOTH HUMAN WAR AND NATURAL WAR WILL HIT CHINA IN FULL FORCES. IT'S TIME FOR COMMIES NATIONS TO FOLLOW THE BERLIN WALL. I SAID TRADERS NEEDS TO DUMP AND RUN. DON'T TRUST ME JUST GO OUT AFTER SUPER TYPHOON HAS PAST AND PICKUP PIECES TO REBUILD YOUR TRADING PORTFOLIO. SHRED YOUR TEAR TO BLOOD BECAUSE CHINA HAD LOCKED THE DOOR YOU CAN'T SELL THOSE SHARES ANYMORE. IF YOU FEEL SO BAD JUST GO EAST A LITTLE AND JUMP INTO THE YELLOW RIVER THERE. BETTER YET JUMP IN MEKONG BECAUSE THOSE GIANT CATFISHES ARE EXTREMELY HUNGRY. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH RIVER YOU TRY TO JUMP YOUR BONE WILL ARRIVE IN SOUTH CHINA SEA EVENTUALLY.

YOU MIGHT SEE A REBOUND HERE AND THERE BUT THAT IS HOW SDTOCK MARKET CRASH DOES ALL THE TIME IT WILL DIE IN STEPS ALONG THE WAY FROM TOP TO ZERO. STOCK MARKET CRASH IN 1929 USA DID TOO. AS A RESCUE MISSION IS ANNOUNCED THE STOCK HOLD OR REBOUND BACK A LITTLE AND THAT NUMBER WILL BE WIPE OUT IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. BAMP! TRILLION GONE AGAIN. A FEW BIG BLOWS AND WE SEE BIG ZERO. THAT'S NATURAL STOCK CRASHES AND HUMAN DIE. DEPRESSION WILL FOLLOW QUICKLY. GO TO THE FARM AND GROW 12 ROWS OF YAM/TUBER OR HIDE UNDER A CAVE TO SURVIVE MORE SUPER TYPHOON. SUPER TYPHOON CAN UP ROOT TREES AND HOUSE AND SET THEM DOWN 100-500 METERS AWAY. I SAW IT ONCE IN THAILAND. THE BIG APARTMENT JUST MOVED TO A NEW LOCATION HUNDRED OF METERS AWAY. DON'T ASK ME HOW IT'S DONE BUT IT DID I SAW IT.

NOT ONLY HUMAN HATE CHINA THIS PLANET HAS IT TOO. THAT'S WHY THE SUPER TYPHOON CAME TO SHRED CHINA INTO SMALL PIECES. THE COMMIE LORD WAS BEING EXECUTED IN THAT PROCESS NOW CHINA IS HOPELESS BECAUSE THE LORD HIMSELF HAD GIVEN COMMIE CHINA A REWARD. SOME OF THOSE 740 MILLION SOLDIERS WILL COUP THE COMMIE PARTY UNTIL CHINA IS NO LONGER ONE NATION. CHINA'S EXPERT WILL RUN AWAY TO THE WESTERN WORLD TO SEEK SUITABLE JOB AND SALARY INSTEAD OF BEING THE HORSE CARE TAKERS FOR THE COMMIE PARTY. CHINA DOES HAS SOME HIGHLY SKILL PROFESSIONALS BUT CHINA CURVED THEM INTO NOTHING SO CHINA WILLED LOOSE THOSE PROS. SOME WILL HIDE AWAY FROM SEEING THE COMMIE PARTY JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE FED UP AND TIRED FROM THOSE COMMIE LAWS. THE LARGEST NATION IN TERM IF POPULATION IN PLANET EARTH WILL BOW TO THE NEWLY CREATED TECHNOLOGIST JUNKY NATION. USA IS NEWLY CREATED COMPARE TO THE 4,000++ YEARS THAT CHINA HAD BEEN IN EXISTING.OLD STRATEGY JUST DOES NOT WORK ACROSS THE OCEAN. THE HOUSE IN THIS NATION IS JUST A RECTANGLE BOX NOT THOSE CURVE AND HOOF OF CHINESE HOUSE. PEOPLE EAT HAMBURGERS INSTEAD OF PORK/EGG BUNS. THE LORD IN USA IS THE $ INSTEAD OF A COMMIE GENERAL.

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Post by HT
SBD all, Merry Xmas!
Has China deflated the bubble? not yet, if anything it is still growing. At the end of the interview the question that was asked was left unanswered, which is: Can China a government controlled capitalist avoid a bubble burst? when the American open market capitalist could not.
China has deflated the bubble temporary by introducing a new 'one investment property' policy thus reducing demand for the time being. It was a Chinese government stimulus initiative by changing the law to allow people to buy properties that triggered the boom, contributing some 20-30% to China economic growth.
Can the Chinese government with its $4Trillion reserve bank rolled its collapsed financial system, if it happens? this $4T reserve is not cash in a room, once the panic starts, trust suffers and even asset rich means little. The government will be the last one left standing!
These empty buildings remind me a little of many mega property developments in VTE.
The following script is from "China's Real Estate Bubble" which originally aired on March 3, 2013, and was rebroadcast on August 3, 2014. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-real-estate-bubble-lesley-stahl-60-minutes/

THE POOR CHINESE ALREADY RAN OUT HERE'S AN EXAMPLE:

THAT WHOLE TROUBLES happen without a shot had been fired once a shot is made will open the DOOR for massive number of refugees. JAPAN and CHINA'S NEIGHBOR WILL PAY FORIT.